– Do you think that the cancellation of the dialogue on part of the ANC is connected with the arrest of Tigran Arakelyan? Is it a worthy reason to give up on discussions concerning by-elections?
– The ANC is solving a very important problem by hitting the same button during the past several years. Ultimately the ANC relies on the fact that Serzh Sargsyan’s power relies not only on the wish of people but rifles. Those are the rifles they used to press down the uprising on March 1, which was generated not to support the ANC leader but because of the hard social and economic conditions of the society. The ANC realized that the Serzh Sargsyan’s power is relied on the power structures and during this time succeeded in breaking some of the pillars of that power. In the near future Serzh sargsyan will appear in a situation that happened to Gorbachov, whose power was based on power structures as well. When in the end of his tenure Gorbachov made his power structures a goat of arms, it turned out that the power was naked and unprotected. Currently the ANC is solving a more important problem than mere the dialogue. For example,. Following the arrest of the traffic police chief Margar Ohanyan, ANC’s Suren Abrahamyan announced that the authorities made a person who had higher moral values a goat of arms. He does not speak of Margar only. By doing this they are speaking of the police and power structures by addressing a message to them saying that they have endorsed Serzh Sargsyan but he may do with them what Gorbachov did, i.e. he would make a goat of arms from them. By doing so Ter-Petrosyan wants to show the current power representatives that even if they are in the same team, Sargsyan cannot protect them. He also shows that he can be a good team leader who protects all his team members.
– Does this mean that any attempt to punish officials may be viewed as an attempt to make a goat of arms from them?
– I am speaking of the power structures. The authorities should demonstrate that they are interested in protection of their team representatives. Even the ANC should do the same. When Sargsyan does the same thing as Gorbachov did, i.e. when he makes his team leaders a coin for trade, he cuts the wood he is sitting on. Ultimately the corporative reputation and image of their police is undermined as the society has humiliated their image. It can be either an ordinary policeman or officer. The nose of the policeman has been broken, and it is not important why and how it was done. In addition, the announcements of the police chief Alik Sargsyan also contains a message that the president should protect them, otherwise he would make the police a goat of arms. Currently Serzh Sargsyan is faced with a choice and in fact he has agreed with 80% of the ANC’s demands as they have set everyone free, except for only one person. Why does the ANC pay so much attention to this? Because they want to show that LTP can be a good roof and supporter of a team. He wants to show that he is ready to do the same as he did on October 23, 2007, when he broke the chain to set his supporters Nikol, Shogher and Petros free. Due to this operation he gained a place under the sun in the political arena, where he is standing now. Experts may argue and ask if this operation had been agreed with the authorities in order to open a way for Ter-Petrosyan to return to active politics.
– Does this mean that you don’t agree with the opinion that the dialogue was suspended because of being in a deadlock?
– I think that neither the ANC nor the authorities have related seriously to this dialogue. The dialogue is a venue where the ANC wants to humiliate the authorities, and the authorities want to humiliate the ANC. At present the ANC is succeeding. Currently not the ANC people are confused but people like Bostanjyan and others. Tigran Arakelyan’s issue is very important now. I believe that since the events of March 1 the primary goal of Ter-Petrosyan is to humiliate the power structures. He wants to import a mood in the police, according to which they have become a goat of arms. When there is a situation that the police chief appears on the screen with almost torn shirt and with wet eyes and says that there is a police hunting going on in the country, it means that the situation is not so good. What does a crying general or police chief mean? Currently the people who could press down Ter-Petrosyan’s movement with power are out of the moral good feeling; they don’t feel comfortable now. This is LTP’s goal. He has created an opinion that he is more reliable than the authorities and the power structure representatives feel bad when they say that everyone is blaming them and they ask why would Samvel Nikoyan blame the criminal investigation department, in fact joining efforts of LTP. Police people say that they are used for political purposes. The authorities should think about this seriously. If Serzh Sargsyan’s power is based on the power structures, LTP’s goal would be to undermine their reputation, which is being done effectively. Now the power structures understand if tomorrow something happens, they should not be involved in any way. Now they understand that there are conditions that would result in repeating the scenario of Egypt. No MP speaks of the violence in the army. If I were there, I would make a tornado there. When Serzh Sargsyan was the defense minister, there was no such violence at that time. Do you see what is happening now? This means that the state structures are being rusted, which is a main condition of revolution.
– Do you think ANC will be able to raise a new wave of public demand?
– People were not gathering in the streets because of the fright from the power structures. Now those structures think differently and now they will not take the responsibility to press people down. The failure to discover the events of March 1 means to put the blame on the police. If they could say that there are guilty people, they would clear the blame from them. Now that institution is treated like an enemy and is being humiliated.
– You used to say that people were disappointed of the ANC and would not come together based on his call.
– People failed to become an independent factor in this story. People are disappointed about the ANC but the ANC shows that they are decisive to protect their supporters. He says that he is protecting those young fellows and he will treat everyone else like that too. LTP will not lose his supporters due to the way is has chosen but Serzh Sargsyan will lose his supporters because of Tigran Sargsyan. Currently Tigran Sargsyan is making trick behind Serzh Sargsyan and is preparing an independent political future.
– Do you know that T. sargsyan wants to join the NDU again?
– Yes. Even after joining the RPA together with Barsegh Beglaryan he tried to revive the NDU for the purpose of creating his own political support. It is more than evident if the second person in the country creates a separate political support without his boss, it may have an effect of slow bomb within the power. Thus, Tigran sargsyan would be interested in weakening the positions of his boss in order to justify the success of his own project.